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  • 02-14-2009 8:39 AM In reply to

    Re: which digitizing software people are using

    What is it that you want to be able to do?   Will it be worth the investment in more software?

    If you have not opened the new software, see if you can take it back.

    You have enough software, you just need classes/lessons/tutorials to help you learn to use what you have.

    What embroidery machine(s) are you using?

    What is the operating system for your PC? 

  • 02-23-2009 2:07 PM In reply to

    Re: which digitizing software people are using

    I have a Janome 300E. And I'm new to all the digitizing. The Janome software is to expensive for me and I'm looking for something cheaper.

    Has anyone used the Digitize 'N Stitch software? There is a free 30 day download but I just don't know if it will work compared to the other software out there. I want to transform my husband's logo so I can make him shirts and caps.

    Thanks in advance for your advice,

    Jo Ann

  • 02-23-2009 3:24 PM In reply to

    Re: which digitizing software people are using

    There are several companies with trial offers.

    You have to own the logo or have permission from the owner of the logo before you use it.

  • 02-24-2009 4:35 PM In reply to

    Re: which digitizing software people are using

    I would love to know what the easiest way to learn Embird Studio is?  I have the program, purchased Carolyn Keebler's tutorial (Secrets of Embroidery website) and am still stymied.  Any advice, please?  I'm using Embird 2006 Build 5 and Studio.

     

    Nancie

  • 02-24-2009 6:13 PM In reply to

    • pat71896
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    Re: which digitizing software people are using

    Your question is really interesting. 

    I am currently working on a class wherein you could take a class, for a nominal fee, before you make the investment in the software.  You would be working with the 30 day trial and be led through the maze of a new piece of software. 

    You could determine if you like or don't like the software.  You could see 2 or 3 software classes and make an informed decision on which is right for you.  Probably all of them are workable and valuable, but you need to have the right one for you.  AND, you could start working with the program of your selection right after purchase!

    What do you think of that?

    Pat, The Avid Embroiderer

    If you are interested in selling your projects, you can determine your costs and profits quickly with my Spreadsheet.

    If you want a lot of great information on working easier, faster and more confidently on your computer, check out my Tips and Tricks.

    If you want to see my pashminas (that I successfully sell retail) check them out here. I also wholesale them.

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  • 02-26-2009 2:47 PM In reply to

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    I agree with BSue that Embird Studio can do just about anything that you would want it to. I'm just learning to use it myself, but I think it is a fantastic digitizing software for the price.  I purchased some of the digitizing videos that John Deere has. They are not for any specific software but more for the basics of why a design needs to be digitized a certain way. There are various free tutorials that can found on the internet.  Sadia Andrews has some on her site. She also has some fantasic free standing lace designs. Carolyn Keeber has tutorials also at the "Secrets of" website. There are also yahoo groups that you can join to ask questions. Mostly I just play with it. I've made some designs that aren't half bad for a beginner.  I recently upgraded to the newer version which has even more goodies. I love the program thus far I just need more hours in a day!!!

    angelwithattitude

  • 02-27-2009 4:30 PM In reply to

    Re: which digitizing software people are using

    Hi All,

    I am using generations which I guess is on the expensive side. When I first got it I sat there and looked at it and wondered what on earth I should do with it. I have almost finished the course 1 of digiitise-wise which is incredibly helpfull. They send out cd's with the artwork and pdf files (lots of printing to do) for anyone who wants to check it out go to www.digitise-wise.com.au.

    As far as artwork there is the art explosion discs or www.graphicsfactory.com. you have to pay for a year subscription but it isn't much. You then have to give credit with a link on your web site if you are selling your designs on the internet.

    I hope that someone finds this info helpful.

    Aice

  • 02-28-2009 11:51 AM In reply to

    Re: which digitizing software people are using

    Would you like to get rid of your mMasterWorks?

    Donna

  • 02-28-2009 11:53 AM In reply to

    Re: which digitizing software people are using

    I have PE Design.  How do you get it to work on Vista?

    Donna

  • 02-28-2009 2:42 PM In reply to

    Re: which digitizing software people are using

    You will need to download a patch or new drivers.....see Brother.com for downloads and updates.

    This may only work on Vista 32bit.

  • 03-01-2009 11:28 AM In reply to

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    Lollie in oregon, As the saying goes you get what you pay for. I have the digitizer pro by janome for memeroy craft 11000 and it is wonderful.Big Smile

  • 03-01-2009 12:51 PM In reply to

    • pat71896
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    Re: which digitizing software people are using

    An issue that has not been addressed here is - What level of digitizing are you REALLY interested in accomplishing? 

    To do commercial/professional quality digitizing, some of the programs may or may not be able to help you do that.  So many things go into digitizing.  I expressed this in my blog on Lingerie.   I am not attacking anyone who enjoys doing their own digitizing for fun and personalized items, but doing high quality digitizing requires many hours of training, work and artistry.

    Have fun with it, use what is working for you and realize that some of the programs may not deliver what they are referring to.  A professional can do all sorts of tricks with their underlying knowledge that may not be available to you.  For instance, I have been reading "Digitizing Made Easy" by John Deer and he has information about underlay that is really important to the outcome.  Your program may or may not address such an issue.  That underlay has multiple issues dependent upon the fabric being used, are you sure what will be used for your design? 

    It is not black and white, one good and one not as reliable or one best and another weak.  It is in the use and desired outcome where we find which product works best for each of us.

    Pat, The Avid Embroiderer

    If you are interested in selling your projects, you can determine your costs and profits quickly with my Spreadsheet.

    If you want a lot of great information on working easier, faster and more confidently on your computer, check out my Tips and Tricks.

    If you want to see my pashminas (that I successfully sell retail) check them out here. I also wholesale them.

  • 03-28-2009 9:26 AM In reply to

    • RMacali
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    Re: which digitizing software people are using

    If I can add to this post, Pat is correct .. it does take time to become GOOD at digitizing, then 10x that long to become consistent and confident but, most of all while your learning, HAVE FUN.  Digitizing is CREATING, and who doesn't have fun when they are creating.
    Your first attempts may not be perfect, or production ready .. but, really who cares.  Sew it out on a sample piece, see what looks good .. see what doesn't .. and fix it, ask someone how it should have been done if you don't know.
    Digitizing is an art of compensation, it is not clear cut and what works on sweatshirt material, may not work on t-shirts, and probably wont.
    I have had a great experience with MasterWorks I and II .. tools are easy to understand and the manufacturers understand embroidery ..

    Pulling you through the eye of the needle,

    Rick Macali / In House Digitizing

    www.inhousedigitizing.com / www.embdesignsnow.com

    407 509-2400

  • 05-05-2009 2:49 PM In reply to

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    Hello Lollie - I see this question was posted quite awhile ago, but thought I'd add my 2 cents anyway!  I just went through the process of looking for the "best" manual digitizing software (for me) and came to one conclusion.  But before I get there, I thought I'd mention that I know nothing about photo-stitching.  What I am interested in is digitizing logos.

    I started out by reading John Deer's book "Digitizing Made Easy" which I found to be extremely helpful, having never digitized anything before.  One piece of advice he gives that I really like is to set your zoom level to 600% and just leave it there.

    So here are some of the other things I felt were important:  (1) the ability to draw outlines with bezier curves  (2) the ability to easily manipulate the stitch order (3) easy to learn via manual or tutorials that come with the software.

    Here's a list of the software that I either own, have played with (demos), or have been given a demo of:

    Brother PE Design 7 (I own this, latest version is 8), Designers Gallery MasterWorks II (30-day demo), Bernina Designer Plus V5 (shown a demo), Viking 4D Professional (shown a demo), Embird 2008 (30-day demo)

    Brother PE Design 7: This was an extremely easy program to learn how to use - the tutorials in the manual (pdf, btw) pretty much taught me everything I needed to know.  I like that you can draw a shape and set both its fill and its outline.  Reordering the stitching order is extremely easy.  You can modify the entry and exit points for each shape by hand.  I would say in general, this program was very easy to learn and very easy to operate.  The thing that absolutely drives me crazy about this program is the way it handles entering and editing outlines.  The word I use is "sloppy".  You're never quite sure where you've entered a point as they're drawn as largish squares.  Sometimes you add points by mistake without knowing it.  Points may overlap (because they're drawn as squares) and you can't easily differentiate between them without zooming in.  Whatever algorithm is used for computing the curves between points is just not that "smooth".  I also wish that you could set the zoom level to a specified amount, instead of just zooming in and zooming out.  The program lacks rulers on the edges of the design window or even a measuring tool.  It also doesn't have any special demarcation for the center of the window!  (I believe this was fixed in version 8).  So despite the fact that this program is very easy to learn, the sloppiness in entering outlines is just too much for me.

    Embird 2008:  I actually played with this program before purchasing PE Design 7.  You certainly can't beat its price and it seems that those who use it just love it.  But being a learn-it-myself kind of person, I just couldn't make heads or tails of the "tutorials" that are provided on the Embird website.  Each tutorial is written about one particular topic and they're listed in alphabetical order.  There is no "overview" tutorial that would describe, say, the overall process from start to finish.  Even something that listed the order in which to read the tutorials would've been helpful.  So despite the fact that Embird handles drawing outlines quite nicely, I just couldn't get past the idea that I'd have to read forums or buy 3rd party tutorial CDs to learn how to use the software.  So I gave up on this option.

    Bernina Designer Plus V5: I went to a Bernina dealer to get a demo of this software.  Considering how much the software costs, I was surprised by a couple things.  You cannot set the zoom level to a specified amount.  It doesn't have rulers on the edges of the design window, but it does have a measuring tool.  And changing the stitching order did not seem the least bit easy.  The person who gave me the demo said that you actually had to search stitch-by-stitch to figure out where shapes started and ended in order to change the stitching order.  Now perhaps we were missing something as I just can't believe it would be that hard, but I was carefully looking at the screen and couldn't find any button or window panel that showed the stitching sequence of shapes.  So I was rather disappointed with this software despite the fact that it did handle drawing outlines quite nicely.

    Viking 4D Professional:  I went to a Viking dealer to get a demo of this piece of software (actually, just the digitizing portion) as it was the software of choice for two Baby Lock salespeople!  (Baby Lock sells Designers Gallery software).  I was also surprised by this software as it is also quite expensive and I had high hopes for it.  But I was shocked to learn that it does not use Bezier curves at all to enter outlines - you select points along your curve and the software joins the points with curves.  You have no opportunity to modify the curve between the points, you must rely on the software to do it for you.  So you end up having to select a lot of points to define, say, one gentle curve.  I was very surprised and disappointed by this.  Also, you couldn't set the zoom level by hand and I honestly can't recall if it had rulers or not.  Needless to say, this software does not do it for me.

    Designers Gallery Masterworks II:  When I first purchased PE Design 7, you could only order a trial CD of this software and I never received mine!  But I recently discovered that you can now actually download this software for a 30-day fully functional trial (you can actually save designs with the trial version).  Well this program has become the cat's pajama for me!  It handles drawing outlines with Bezier curves quite nicely.  It has one button that allows you to close a curve without trying to match end points.  It has rulers.  It lets you set the zoom level to 600%.  It lets you change the stitch ordering quite easily.  You can move the entry/exit points for each shape.  In the stitch ordering window (Sequence View), you can turn on/off groups of shapes to be stitched (they're grouped by color) (i.e. they're either displayed or not), you can lock groups of shapes so they can't be modified by mistake.  There's a little horizontal bar along the bottom of the window that gives you an idea of the color ordering and the relative number of stitches for each color.  And for column stitching, you can manually enter the direction of the stitches instead of relying on the software to do it for you.  Though this may seem like extra work, I like that level of control.  And finally, I figured out how to use this software with absolutely no manual!  It was that intuitive!  Very impressive.

    So I did a little test where I digitized a simple logo using the same JPG as a backdrop using PE Design 7 and Masterworks II.  I started out by manually outlining the shapes in PE Design 7 and found it so frustrating that I actually used the auto-digitizer instead (a first for me).  Using the auto-digitizer meant that I had to do a fair amount of clean-up on the JPG to get the auto-digitizer to work well.  The results actually looked okay, though the curves were more bumpy than smooth.  But being a fairly small logo, the stitched out design looked just fine.  I then manually entered the outlines using Masterworks II, created the design, and stitched it out.  It also looked just fine.  So both programs produced a design with comparable results.  However, I would say that overall process of digitizing the logo was just far more pleasant using Masterworks II.

    So in general, I'm sure that all of these programs have their pros and cons.  But for what *I* want to do, Masterworks II was by far the easiest to use.  Happy Stitching!

    Lynne

     

     

     

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  • 05-06-2009 9:18 AM In reply to

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    Hi, Lynne.

    Thank-you so much for sharing your research.  I, too favor Designer's Gallery software. 

    I was first introduced to DG when I purchased my Baby Lock. 

    Customworks, Letterworks, Sizeworks and Studio Plus w/Colorworks were included with the purchase. 

    I have tried the free trial of Masterworks Lite and it was so easy (I had been using PE V6). 

    Pattiann

     

    http://www.designersgallerysoftware.com/

  • 05-06-2009 1:28 PM In reply to

    • pat71896
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    Re: which digitizing software people are using

    WOW Lynne!  That was a great deal of work!!

    I too have been looking at software.  There is so much info and pricing is unbelievable!

    I do recommend that anyone who is interested in trying and already does digitizing that they read John Deer's book "Digitizing Made Easy" because it is a necessity that you will reach for time and time again as an excellent resource.

    I agree with the Autodigitizing.  The initial and sometimes tedious work is done for you and you go in and adjust to your heart's content.

    Pat, The Avid Embroiderer

    If you are interested in selling your projects, you can determine your costs and profits quickly with my Spreadsheet.

    If you want a lot of great information on working easier, faster and more confidently on your computer, check out my Tips and Tricks.

    If you want to see my pashminas (that I successfully sell retail) check them out here. I also wholesale them.

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  • 05-09-2009 4:10 AM In reply to

    • Dorez
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    Re: which digitizing software people are using

    Hi Lollie (et all),

     

    PE Design (Pallette) version 4 and version 8.

    It's been a while, but one of the reasons my wife got the fancy machine (babylock ellagio when it was top of the line) she loved the idea of photostitch.  The package included Pallette 4 and Designers Gallery.  I am very happy with these programs and still use them today.  No, I have not seen any other program match the quality of Pallette / PE Design photostitch.

    Bulletproof Embroidery and Wrinkled Up Fabric is what I have witnessed when most people attempt to use photostitch or any competitors version.

    Ah, but there is hope.

    I learned from Tina Feakes at a Las Vegas embroidery conference, just how to deal with photo stitch.  To date, Tina's work is the best I have seen anywhere.  At the time, she was converting Art (classic images which had outlived their copyright protection) to embroidery. 

    Pallette version 4, which unfortunately will not run on Vista, is still my choice for converting B/W photos.  Tina's class, based on her book "Creating Fabric Art with the Brother/Babylock Photostitch Program" taught me how to Reduce Stitch Count and understand the limits of photo stitch.  Tina's work included some vibrant colors, and she would select up to 20 different threads for her Art.  My works are mostly portraits (faces) and I have not had success representing Color portraits.  I've attempted 15 or less different threads because, changing threads on a single needle machine which does not cut jumpstiches is painfully slow.  Black and White pictures which are clear and bright work best for version 4.  A standard color pallette of seven shades from white through shades of grey and most times but not always ending in black is the best use for this program.  Version 4 photostich color order always goes from lightest shade, through progressively darker shades, and ends with the darkest shade. 

    I do not recommend Pallette versions 5, 6, or 7 for photostitch.  Versions 5 and 6 fixed bugs in the program which were crucial to obtaining a lower stitch count and a better final result.  I've never used version 7.  Version 8 is the latest and it incorporates many new bells and whistles (options and improvements) for photostitch.

    Now, I have PE Design version 8 and a six needle embroidery machine.  My wife and I just completed a quilt for her Mom, with 6 portraits (Husband and 5 Children).  Three of the portraits were converted using version 4, and three of the portraits were converted using version 8.  If I use a full size image (~170mm x 185mm), as input to photostitch (ver 8), the stitch count is well over 100k.  I select the 160mm x 260mm hoop and scale my image to between 110mm and 120mm width, convert it to stitches (set run pitch to 2mm and detail to fine), select the 200mm x 300mm hoop, and resize the emboidery to ~165mm width.  Example, I just converted a 165 mm x 248mm portrait to a stitch count of 140K, reduced the width to 110mm and converted the same portrait to a stitch count of 60K, then resized the embroidery to 165 mm x 248 mm with a stitch count of 60K.  Yes, you can use a greater stitch count (I've used ~82K stiches for this size portrait with success), the point here is: 140K stitches is about twice as many as desired.

    Version 8 has improved photostitch's ability to capture fine details, though I still prefer (more familiar with) version 4.  Version 8 has improved color portrait capabilities, but for now I still work with B/W.  Version 8 color order does not always go from lightest to darkest shade.  Version 8 has a new feature for Sepia Tones which I believe will lay to rest my affection for version 4, if and when I develop the proper level of expertise to utilize Sepia conversions.

     

    Hope this helps, but honestly I've barely scratched the surface of this topic...,

    Dorez

  • 05-27-2009 12:49 PM In reply to

    Re: which digitizing software people are using

    I use the Palette 8. New at it but what Ive learned has been great.

  • 06-01-2009 1:59 AM In reply to

    Re: Digitizing Software

    Just a note about the guide. We had a guide on a cd that came with the program. And getting to it each time was a hassle. so we took the cd to Staples and had them print it out double sided. it cost 80.00 but it is well worth it for our time.

  • 06-23-2009 1:36 PM In reply to

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    I am curious as to where to get the DVDs about the 3D tutorials.  I am not finding anywhere online using Simply Excellent...  Can it be purchased from a Viking dealer?

     

    Thanks for the info,

    Katherine O.

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