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The Avid Embroiderer Presents: Needles, July 3, 2008

Needles         

 General Information:

  •  The lower the number, the smaller the needle regardless of the type.
  • Fine fabrics, satin, silk, linen, require the #60/8 Sharp or #65/9 Sharp. Either would be good choices.  Those fabrics are snagged by a dull or overly large needle.
  • To pierce heavy fabric like denim, use #80/12 Sharp or #90/14 Sharp.
  •  Knits and loosely woven fabrics need a ball point needle. The finer the jersey and pique knit use a smaller needle.
  • Cotton fabrics work well with sharp or universal needles.
  • Tapestry is also loosely woven so you will want to use a ball point needle. These will more easily go between the threads of the fabric instead of penetrating them.
  • Wedge point needles are made for plastics, vinyl and leather goods. Wedge point needles make a ‘slice’ rather than a hole. If your needle is causing the design to be "cut" out of your fabric, try a wedge point.   Here’s a deal!  Originally $4,999.00 and on sale for $39.99…
  • Cardstock demands a very fine, sharp needle and the smaller the better.  It will also require a fine thread, at least a #50 or #60 thread.
  •  Metallic needles are sharp and have a larger hole.  This allows the metallic thread to feed easier and therefore, less thread breaks.  Nothing that I know about will stop metallic thread breakage.
  • If you think your needle (not yet attached to the machine) might have an eye that is too small, you can take a 12” piece of the thread and put it through the hole.  Hold the thread vertically and spin the needle, this demonstrates how easily the thread moves through the hole.

 

Embroidery needles have a slight amount of flexibility to them, allowing better movement.  Sewing needles are generally more rigid. 

 

If you have a dual machine that sews as well as embroiders, you may have been given two different bobbin cases.  Other than thread and needle, the reality is that sewing and embroidery have very little in common in their process.  Here is why: 

 

A sewing machine uses the top and bottom threads equally to combine two fabrics together.  You will use an equal amount of thread with the top and bottom.  This diagram shows the process.

 

However, an embroidery machines uses the top thread to cover your fabric while the bottom thread holds the top thread snugly to the fabric.   This method uses approximately 40% more top than bottom thread.   This diagram is courtesy of Designs in Machine Embroidery), you already know that you will see top thread on the bottom of your design, as it should be. 

                                                            

   dumpING the needle Let’s all put a dollar into a bank account for every time we wondered when to change the needle.  The account will be in my name and I promise to tell you about all the fun I have spending it. Options:  Listen to the ‘experts’ (not including yours truly).

  • When you start a new project
  • When you are doing delicate or detailed designs
  • When your machine starts to sound different
  • When you think of it
  • When you have done 70,000 or 150,000 stitches
  • When the needle is bent
  • Give up and take up a new hobby. 

Drum Roll (as Cathy would say)!  I don’t have a simple answer.  I do, however, follow a few rules. 

 

  • When I begin a new project, I think about the prior age/usage of the needle, I might change here.
  • When I am doing small words and want those “o’s” and “e’s” to have good definition, I probably will change here.
  • I do listen carefully to my machine.  But noise in general does not mean the needle is in need of change.  Any unusual sound requires an immediate stop of the machine.  I might consider changing the needle here.
  • When I change the bobbin, I see lint in the bobbin case area; and I may think about changing the needle while I am cleaning up that area.
  • I do keep an eye on the number of stitches I have been creating.  It reminds me it is time for a check up at my dealers.  But I may change my needle just because of usage by count.
  • I always change a bent needle immediately. 
  • I believe in strong stabilization, which dulls a needle.   I change that needle.

 

A worn needle can be one cause of tension issues.  Here are “Test Your Tension” files for the most common embroidery formats.   I have placed the test file in my machine’s memory.  If you don’t have a memory on your machine, keep this file handy and use it periodically.  Here’s how:

  1. Use contrasting threads for top thread, bobbin thread and fabric so that you can readily see where your thread is landing at the current tension setting.
  2. If possible, use different brands of threads.
  3. Observe your test.  The appearance of the majority of your test indicates your general tension.
  4. If adjustments are needed, make them in small increments, and repeat the test.
  5. Naturally, the factory setting is the most accurate, but over time, wear and movement will make a reset inaccurate without a fully trained technician.
  6. Keep the stitched out pattern for future reference.
  7. Check often.

 

                   

 

TensionTestDST.zip                     TensionTestEXP.zip                    TensionTestHUS.zip

TensionTestJEF.zip                        TensionTestPCS.zip                     TensionTestPES.zip

TensionTestXXX.zip

 

To print this blog:  Print

 

Did you see the New Photos Section?  It is called “Challenges and Advice” and it will be great for all those discussions and suggestions that ATG users are renowned for sharing!

  

What would you like the next Blog to be about?  I have several subjects in mind:

  1.  HEIRLOOM/WING NEEDLE
  2. PLACEMENT GUIDES
  3. ENDLESS HOOPING
  4. YOUR IDEA

    

 

Comments

 

rosarypark said:

Thankyou for an informative guide to needle selection. I have always been a 100% cotton embroiderer but am branching out now.

I would like a blog on all of the 3 subjects you put down especially endless hooping, but I would also like a blog on trapunto . What fabrics,needles,threads & stabilisers work best.

Keep on blogging . I avidly look forward to them each time.

July 3, 2008 6:29 PM
 

pat71896 said:

Rosarypark-All three will be discussed in the next few blogs.  Trapunto is also on my agenda.  For anyone who does not know what trapunto is, I think of it as being similar to 'embossing' such as would be done on an announcement like an announcement for a graduate.

July 3, 2008 8:33 PM
 

bobbyelu said:

Thanks for the information.

July 5, 2008 12:19 PM
 

rnh said:

Pat,

Awesome Blog! Thanks for all the info!

The more I read, the more I realize the girl that gave me instructions on my machine left out a LOT. I'm going to go back & ask for more instructions by someone with experience. The shop also realized it when I asked about special bobbin thread for embroidery. So the door is open for my return! Hope this time there's substance to the instruction!!

Your blog cleared up a lot for me. I knew about all the different needles, but had no clue what they were all used for.

You asked for our input on what to do next . . .  I'd be interested in endless hooping & placement guides, and yes, trapunto is also interesting!

Whatever you decide . . . bring it on! I'm ready to learn!

Rosie

July 5, 2008 1:48 PM
 

tourlady said:

Thanks Pat,

I am always wondering what kind of needle to use and when to change it. Now I have a better understanding. This blog I will print out and tape to my wall for easy reference.

Thanks again.

July 5, 2008 3:47 PM
 

pat71896 said:

bobbyelu- I hope I have helped you (all) in some way.  There is no wat for everyone to have all the information.  So learning is a wonderful, especially among friends.  

rnh - thanks for the kind words.  As I noted above, no one has all the answers and no one has every item at their finger tips.  I do have a philosophy about learning, be open and everyone has something to offer.  I am sure your dealer assistant is learning too.  

tourlady-I hope the "print" button worked for you.  I tested it and had no problems.  I want to be sure you did not have any issues either.

Thanks to all,

Pat

July 5, 2008 9:28 PM
 

rbc said:

I'd like to have more info on endless emb.

July 5, 2008 11:20 PM
 

grannyk said:

THE LESSON ON NEEDLES AND THEIR USE WAS SUCH GREAT HELP!  I PLAN TO PRINT AND POST CLOSE TO MY SEWING MACHINE AND USE IT FOR FUTURE REFERENCE.

THE INFORMATION WAS SO USER FRIENDLY.  I DEFINITELY NEED THAT!

MANY THANKS FOR YOUR TIME AND EFFORT.  IT IS APPRECIATED. SHARON FROM ARKANSAS.

July 6, 2008 12:44 AM
 

twocraftysisters said:

I would like to hear what you have to say about endless hooping. I'm very curious.

Thanks for the needle info.

July 6, 2008 1:42 AM
 

TJWebb said:

Thanks for the information,  it will be good to keep for reference .  I would be interested in endless hooping as well -- if it is what I think -such as getting a design along the edge of a tablecloth with many repeats, all even?  Thanks

July 6, 2008 3:43 AM
 

a1bjax75 said:

Thank you for the information,it is nice to have some references.

July 6, 2008 7:21 AM
 

soisicdem said:

merci beaucoup pour ces informations, , il n'y a malheureusement pas grand chose en français

July 6, 2008 5:07 PM
 

db1921 said:

Pat:

Thanks for a great guide as well as a reminder of just how important that simple task can make in creating great finished pieces.  Please keep sharing what you know.  

July 7, 2008 10:39 AM
 

nmoore1965@msn.com said:

I just got the upgrade on my Innovis 4000D for the continuous border patterns but am in need of some tips. Please cover this in a blog soon. I have read and loved all of the blogs and have learned so much from all the ME community.

Nancy in IN

July 7, 2008 4:45 PM
 

pat71896 said:

Thank you all for your input!  I do want to do blogs on what you need right now.  Endless hooping has a number of methods.  I will be writing about the method I use and show another for you to choose which makes best sense to you.

Nancy - Any time you want to give away your Innovis, I do take 'hand-me-downs.'  LOL  

Pat

July 7, 2008 9:29 PM
 

michsnowbird said:

Your blogs are Great!!! I am self taught. No one at Walmart was going to teach me about my Brother PE-150.... I had to figure it out myself. Luckily, I had computer experience and was able to get info from various on-line places so after about 5 years now, I'd say I'm pretty good at it, for having figured it out on my own, but any good advice is greatly appreciated!!!

Paula

July 8, 2008 3:19 PM
 

pat71896 said:

Paula-Walmart certainly has its place in the world, but nothing beats an opportunity to learn from others.

When you have something you would like to contribute to a blog or forum, I will look forward to hearing from you.  Self taught can be very knowledgeable!

Pat

July 8, 2008 4:04 PM
 

Joan12 said:

I've had an embroidery/sewing machine for three years and just learned I should be using the bobbin case still packed in the original packaging for my embroidery projects.  Your pictures are great and the second bobbin case did make a difference.  I would like to know more about endless hooping.

July 8, 2008 6:35 PM
 

grammy12 said:

Pat,

You have a great way of explaining things. It is these kind of articles that helped me with my ME. My delivery of needles came today. Throwing away one little needle is nothing when you think wasting thread and stabilizer or ruin a piece of clothing. With almost every article I read I always learn something new.

July 8, 2008 8:11 PM
 

rosarypark said:

I have been getting such great information from Avid  Embroiderer that I have been printing all the blogs & have a ring binder with them all laminated in it . It sits next to my machine .

July 10, 2008 7:28 AM
 

pat71896 said:

Gosh everyone- - you are so sweet!  When I taught computer software, one of the most wonderful parts of teaching is the "Ah Ha" moment.  Where someone really gets the information and it makes sense.

Thank you for all your encouragement.  The ATG community is the best!

Pat

July 10, 2008 3:37 PM
 

TravelBug1237 said:

Holy Cow Pat!!!!?????!!!!!

 HOW in the WORLD did you do the graphics like that for your blog???!!!

....moving parts even!!!! I am SO impressed!!! (...& so far  behind on my "July blogs".)

Good for you getting it in early and SO nicely done too - for pete sakes!!!

  I'll really read and digest all your info on needles when I recoup and regroup from summer school.

:):)

Cathy in Oregon

July 11, 2008 10:06 PM
 

mspacman said:

I 'd like a blog on all three above also. I have learned quite a bit from these blogs. Print the info and put it in a binder for future references.

Thanks for all the tips.

July 13, 2008 4:35 PM
 

mamafaye said:

Would someone please explaine the "program fills".  Not sure what they are.   Thanks

July 13, 2008 4:58 PM
 

happybreams said:

I just found your blog and already learned how the needle pickes up the thread with your moving needle. LOVE IT.  I will be looking forward to more of your blogs. Thank you so much.

JD in Georgia USA

July 13, 2008 6:29 PM
 

charlottedrummonds said:

thanks for the needle info.  I also question the needle size, and wish the manufactures would give more information on the packages.  Your info was most informative, and I welcome it.  Char, in B'ham

July 14, 2008 12:00 AM
 

kathlene said:

Great job, Pat! Very informative and I love the graphics too...especially the working part of the bobbin shuttle and needle! You did a very good job getting the information across. Thanks for your great information!

Kath :o)

July 14, 2008 9:34 PM

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